It’s her blog, and her right. She owns and controls that space.

But, with the dearth of twoc voices, is this really the best policy? Shouldn’t this discussion be happening in a twoc centered space?

yall know where to find my blog!

Quoted for extreme truth.

My principal concern at this point, is for the commenter’s twoc partner. If the commenter above is that indifferent to twoc health concerns, and only wants “conversation” among cis woc…I genuinely fear for her twoc partner.

I really do.

those trans people (especially women) start entering their rightful gender spaces, and then all hell break loose.

This is where cis woc and others hypocrisy becomes manifest. Sadly, their action seems to stop at having “conversations” among themselves at a convenient future date, because they are not invested in real results that save twoc lives, only jaw jacking about us and not with us.
This makes basic trust difficult, and undermines any claim to social justice that they have. Yes, I know all cis people do not feel that way, but if these policies stand, are those feelings really important? Does the much crowed about “good that they do” really trump the fact that they openly and unashamedly contribute to killing twoc by denying basic medical care?

First, thank you for continuing the discussion and listening.
as for my lack of rage. you are right i dont feel rage. lately i am unable to rage about much. i feel apathetic about so much. there is a term for this. i forget what it is. for when you have just seen experienced too much trauma, primary and secondary, that you dont emote any more. quin is correct. this issue deserves rage.

“Fighting rage” wasn’t a good choice of words for what I was trying to describe, something else would be much better. I know when your mental and spiritual health is taxed or you’re dealing with depression (like I do) or other issues like that, actually feeling emotional anger is not possible and it’s ablist to ignore that. So I apologize for any pressure that line suggests.

What I was trying to describe is that fighting resistance that comes when people you love/feel connected to are being kicked down. (Which first means that we have to make a real commitment) Without it, or without trying to find it, things turn into a conversation about the exclusion of identity categories and what it does for the idea of diversity. Instead of addressing the material issues at hand first, we get into issues abut issues and issues around those issues. We get overwhelmed with abstract ideas and thought exercises that distract from an urgent problem.

Since the policy of a women’s clinic is the entry point here, I think that discussions about trans women/trans female genderqueers’ inclusion that are sparked from this one, should probably start with access to women’s organizations, services and leadership. Voz’s offer to do an interview and discuss with organizers about what needs to be done is the kind of place we need to start at. What we say about trans misogyny and transphobia doesn’t matter until it starts changing the policies on the ground. Especially now, as there’s a growing trend among progressives who think they’re really special for using the right pronouns or knowing that trans people exist, who say they’re cool with trans people’s genders…until those trans people (especially women) start entering their rightful gender spaces, and then all hell break loose.

the quote about “male assigned” is here, in the section on sexual health http://nowhc.org/sexualhealthcare.html

I’ll edit the post to make it clearer.

That said, is there Incite! in NYC? I am going there in a week, and would LOVE to videotape a short interview with them on this issue. Kind of a “Chica is steppin off the farm and goin’ to The Big City to ask WTF??” type thing.
if we could find some Incite! types willing to speak to me in NYC, I’ll do the rest, and post the video. I have a trans woman friend who does video production, a camera, a trip to NYC, and a place to stay.

All we need now is someone from Incite! to talk about this, and EXACTLY what should be done about it.

and I feel what u are saying about social justice orgs not successfully transforming themselves. That’s why I use ‘woc’ very loosely to describe myself. Gotta be seen as human by that crowd before I can hang with that label, and that is a ways off.

I hope you feel better.

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i am re-reading my questions through the lens of this comment thread and i can hear where my tentative tone and focusing on the organization of incite rather than on the women who are being denied health care is definitely cis-centered.
part of my focus on incite! is that i am interested if a social justice organization which has historically excluded oppressed certain marginalized populations can then transform itself into being welcoming and affirming of those populations. in other words can incite! which began as a woman of color organization transform into a trans inclusive space. what does that transformation process look like? i as a community organizer and ngo/npo worker have frankly never seen an organization do it successfully whether it was with issues around race, gender, sexuality, class, etc. and yet i am hoping that incite! can. what has kept me interested in incite!’s work is i saw incite! making some quirky and interesting moves toward centering in their work and actions on the ground trans identity.
oh well. just tiny pin pricks in my big red balloon.

as for the subheading and the fact that yes, it still third genders. i hate that it does. and i want to fix it. i just can’t. i have tried several times but for some reason the changes i make wont actually appear on the blog. i think this has to do with the fact that the internet i have been using has just been too slow. hopefully soon we will have enough money that we can afford to have internet in our actual apartment.
i hate that this blog’s subheading is so insulting to folks i love.
there are several changes i want to make to the site once i am able to.

as for my lack of rage. you are right i dont feel rage. lately i am unable to rage about much. i feel apathetic about so much. there is a term for this. i forget what it is. for when you have just seen experienced too much trauma, primary and secondary, that you dont emote any more. quin is correct. this issue deserves rage.

i realize this response is not very precise. i am listening.